carol, senator hagel has a long record of support for israel, support for israel's security. i think this is an outstanding choice by president obama because senator hagel is clearly, without any question, one of the most knowledgeable and sperexperienced leaders we on foreign defense policy. he's got a long record of support for the u.s. military, and he's a combat veteran in vietnam. so he's seen war. i think he's going to add weight to the cabinet, and he's going to work well with the president and be a real boost for our foreign and defense policy. >> what do you suppose he meant when he said the jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here? what did he mean by that? >> i don't know what he meant specifically, but i know the remark was made some time ago, and i know that senator hagel has been very consistently supportive of the obligation and interests that the united states has to support israel's security. he has never deviated from that. he's also been -- and i know this because i was involved in iran policy in the bush administration -- a very strong supporter of